Showing posts with label election. Show all posts
Showing posts with label election. Show all posts
Friday, March 16, 2012
More on the Election and Trinity Discussion
After taking my Comprehensive exams on Barth's theology I tried to summarize in my mind where we are at after the McCormack's thesis on election (see earlier posts for what I am talking about):
1. Barth was inconsistent with regards to both election and the Trinity. In short, he is sometimes very close to McCormack's reading and other times he is with Hunsinger and company. Therefore, the context of what Barth "actually" believed is not a steady foundation. You can proof text to make him fall into either positions. I think one should strive for authorial intent but at this point this does not rule which theory is more viable.
2. Barth's inconsistency deals with the nature of revelation and his constantly beginning again at the beginning. The self-critical technique places Barth in a position where he is consistently working through and reworking ideas, which it is dangerous to simply proof text him. Thus, this leads to points where he emphasizes the historicity of Christ and the humanity of God and other places he zones in on the freedom of God.
3. McCormack has made the point that Barth's view of election was his most important contribution to the realm of 20th century thought (not just theological), yet he also thinks it is underdeveloped; McCormack also acknowledges that Barth did not go further with this idea than he should have so he even sees his own project as somewhat original and creative ( a point his detractors sometimes do not respect).
He could not be more right! I think Barth was pioneering with this idea and is consistent with his anti-idolatry, anti-metaphysical tendencies. In what sense? It frees us to think of God as God-in-relation with humanity (and the cosmos-ie Moltmann), so that one is not constantly trying to develop a theology of history that is different than what is revealed. In short, it tries to curb the power of speculation between God's being and God's acts. In other words, McCormack is playing to the somewhat Hegelian tendencies of the later Barth.
One of Hegel's points was how can one even talk about God if there is no interaction with humanity? I think Hegel's question is even compelling to some of Barth's defense of the detached, transcendent (yet free) God. If Barth (even unwittingly) teaches us something, it is to stop with the escape into the speculative, foundational metaphysics and to deal with the way the revealed religions contribute to our understanding of what God has revealed and how we live in light of this revelation.
Monday, January 30, 2012
Jungel on History, Barth and the Election
"If it is truly the case that the reality and truth of God's revelation is comprehensive and self-contained in all respects, then it must also be the case that this revelation brings its own historical location, its own reality in space and time. Note that the revelation establishes its location as a historical location, its reality as an earthly reality. There is nothing ghostly or ethereal about the revelation. History becomes an authentic predicate of revelation. But the revelation brings its own history, seeking to be historically real and effective for us. This is what Karl Barth calls election." See Karl Barth: A Theological Legacy, pg 129
Friday, December 16, 2011
Another Barth Trinity book-Why Ben Myers ROCKS or Why the History of Christ Matters to God

Another book (better named than the one in the previous post) about Barth's theology of the Trinity (and election) is Trinitarian Theology After Barth. Let me restate from the previous post that I more sympathetic with McCormack's reading of Barth's view of the Trinity and election than with Molnar's; these two views are highlighted in this book and many of the commentators work with this debate in the background.
One of the best essays in the book is the one by Ben Myers (the Faith & Theology blog). The essay is called "Election, Trinity, and the History of Jesus: Reading Barth with Rowan Williams." What Myers does is basically take the McCormack position and show that Williams noticed some of the same things about Barth's theology before McCormack's work. The point is to say that the Barth of CD IV/1 (Williams' Second Trinity) is the one to follow than the one of CD I/I (Williams' First Trinity) because the Christ revealed in history is the God we know and who reveals Godself. In short, there is no abstract God apart from the God we know from Christ. Myers declares that "this history is the form which God's freedom takes" (134); the way of Christ is the way of God.
Myers notes a helpful distinction in that there are really 3 positions one can take in understanding the relationship between the human Jesus and the eternal God (see pg 135):
1) Moltmann's view (internally divided Trinity): God is a mutable divine being who undergoes change as a result of what happens in Jesus (the source of this view I think is Hegel and even more radical train of thought that follows this can be found in Zizek)
2) Molnar's view (sublimely free immanent Trinity): God is an indeterminate and unknowable divine being who lies behind the election of Jesus (I would call this classic Calvinism as well)
3) McCormack's view: God is a divine being who is both knowable and immutable, since it is already determined towards the history of Jesus (also Williams' Second Trinity and the one Myers identifies with)
Why I have warmed to McCormack's view is that it manages to take a middle course between a view of the detached God (solitary electing God of eternity, while also not falling into the modern theories that compromise God's freedom [it is one thing to say that God is free to act toward humanity and quite another thing to say this is necessary]). Election is God's free act to determine Godself to be toward humanity in Christ, so this act determines God's essence. Another thing I like about this view is that it takes seriously the revealed life/acts of Jesus in history to such an extent that to talk of God apart from God's revealed acts toward humanity toward Israel, Christ and the church is to move into speculation.
Thursday, December 15, 2011
Schools on Barth's View of Election and Trinity

Just got my hands on a new book that deals with the Anglo-American scholarship over Barth's view of election and the Trinity. The main players in the book are Bruce McCormack, George Hunsinger and Paul Molnar; also included are a number of other Barth scholars on the rise to deal with this issue.
What is fantastic about this book is that is has brought together the scattered essays about this topic that have surfaced since McCormack's book in the 1990s. I have read a number of these essays before but I like the idea of them all in one place and from there being able to formulate where I think my own position is. This controversy has quickly become a contentious issue over the interpretation rights of Barth. (Personally, I stand very close to McCormack's position [which he is clear is both an interpretation of what Barth said and a build upon Barth's work where he thinks he should have gone with his theology]). Much of the argument follows these questions: who is interpreting the "historical" Barth? Which view is most orthodox? Is there development in Barth's thought? How would Barth react to these views if he were still alive?
The bottom line is the classical argument over the immanent vs the economic Trinity. McCormack claims that Barth's view of election reinterprets Barth's view of the Trinity, in short, that God is revealed as God-for-us or God as being-toward-incarnation. Thus, the economic Trinity is what tells us what the immanent Trinity is all about. The promoters of the classic view deny this because they want the transcendent, immanent God to be free from God's act and creation but also free for it( I would call this a classical Calvinist view).
This issue recalls some of the problems addressed by Zizek/Hegel and a reaction by theologians toward their modern take of the Trinity (the modern paradigm is where I start with even though we can gain value from the premodern but it is time to give up going back past the modern paradigm). I am mostly convinced that Barth moves close to the modern position (especially in CD IV/1 but pulls back); Moltmann is perhaps the most famous figure that takes this idea to the next step. I also think that McCormack is right to base his argument around the historical act of Christ as the determining factor to understand the being of God since this is what is revealed.
Thursday, April 14, 2011
Summary of Barth's ethics: Ethics is election

First summary of looking at Barth's ethics: One can only do ethics in light of our election in Christ. For Barth, Christ is the Electing/Sanctifying God and the Elected/Sanctified Human that I beleive St. Paul says we find our place in. thus, any type of ethics must be based off this "covenantal ontology". By being-in-act as both the Elector and the Elected, Christ followed the "command" of God in "humility" and "obedience". Thus, when Barth later talks about ethics following the "command of God" for humans it is in the light of God's own humility that was added on through Christ.
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